Preble County, Ohio

County Commissioners

July 13, 2011

Three Commissioners in attendance

File 1

I. OPEN MEETING

II. CALL OF ROLL

III. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE

IV. PRAYER

V. PUBLIC COMMENTS

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File 2

RANDY BOWSER – 6 YEAR DITCH REVIEW – GLENWOOD #783 & BALL #877 DITCHES

A. NOTE RECEIPT OF & CONSIDER ADOPTING THE NEW BASE OF ASSESSMENTS FOR THE GLENWOOD #783 & BALL #877 DITCHES AS SUBMITTED BY THE COUNTY ENGINEER AND FURTHER SET AUGUST 10, 2011 AT 9:00 A.M. AS THE DATE & TIME FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING

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File 3

Connie – Chris I just handed out to you .govdeals, show you what we received on the van.

Chris Day – not too bad. no total given

Connie – Also I sent Marty Votel an email yesterday on what we are sending or asking the Fair Board to provide us regarding their request. And right now the only thing they are to provide us is detailing rules which would be followed security measures that would be taken and the manner in which these rules would be enforced. Including a letter from the Sheriff's Department representing they will provide a police presence at these venues. …. mirror Historical Society…

27 Minute mark   Commissioner Stonecash – There was an article in the newspaper today that outlined their meeting and just for the record we did Connie and I and Dwayne went to the ??? building yesterday and marked some furniture for the Junior Fair Board Office. As I indicated to you guys. So we did act upon that situation, we are working with the Fair Board.

Commissioner Wesler – How was the article?

Commissioner Stonecash – mmm told it like it came out basically. Dwayne wasn't happy that he wasted his time; I think his mouth got out of the way a little bit there. Pretty much the way it went. Pretty accurate story.

Commissioner Wesler – Once again we really didn't bring up with them that they've owed us $50,000 for quite a few years now and we've never seen that and I think they were

Commissioner Stonecash – We will never see that.

Commissioner Wesler – They didn't understand that what we cut from OSU Extension isn't setting somewhere. That was used to balance the budgets from other agencies to keep them operating so.

Commissioner Stonecash – They are financially in trouble they don't understand.

Commissioner Wesler – Well and that $50,000 decimal point mistake doesn't help their situation either. I did talk to Pat Holmes today I had another issue to talk with her about. She mentioned that there is other counties that you know are once again having to abide by the situation with how OSU and the Ag Societies are structured and she said that ahh you know that for a long time OSU Extension was doing things for the Ag Society that they really should not be doing. But you guys well know that after a while somebody says "Here I'll handle it this year" and then all of a sudden the next year they are handling it again and after so long that is just that's the norm. Until something happens or breaks, the budget crisis had to make come back into a realignment so. Sometimes people aren't happy with that so.

Connie – I do have Pat Holmes scheduled in for next Wednesday to give us an update.

30 Minute mark    Further discussion.

Storm discussion.

32 Minute mark   David Anderson letter on litigation team member appointment made every five years, no suggested person. Previous member was Commissioner Marshall.

33 Minute mark  Commissioner Stonecash goes on record as opposing reappointment of Commissioner Marshall.

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File 4

FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS

A. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF RES. #413-11-151

RE: AUTH. PAYMENT – INSURANCE ON PROPERTY ($856.00)

B. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF RES. #414-11-151

RE: SUPPLE. APPROP. – PUBLIC ASSISTANCE FUND ($68,000.00); PROBATION SERVICES ($2,000.00)

CORRESPONDENCE & REPORTS

A. NOTE RECEIPT OF A LETTER FROM THE CO. ENGINEER

RE: DAVID PRICE PROBATIONARY RATE ADJUSTMENT – ENGINEER $16.23 per hour

B. NOTE RECEIPT OF A REPORT FROM THE SHERIFF’S OFFICE

RE: MONTHLY JAIL REPORT – JUNE 2011

Male admissions – 103

Female – 23

Total releases – 128

Average daily count – 64 (highest total this year and full for July 4th weekend)

BID RECOMMENDATIONS & AWARDS

A. NOTE RECEIPT OF A BID RECOMMENDATION & CONSIDER AWARDING BID AS RECOMMENDED BY MOTE & ASSOCIATES

RE: VILLAGE OF ELDORADO WWTP ALTERATIONS – PHASE 1 – CONTRACT B

AGREEMENTS & CONTRACTS

A. NOTE RECEIPT OF AN EXECUTED AGREEMENT & AMENDMENT

RE: LPA SAFETY STUDY AGREEMENT WITH ODOT – ENGINEER

B. NOTE RECEIPT OF & CONSIDER APPROVAL BY SIGNING AN AGREEMENT

RE: PCSD #2 LOAN AGREEMENT W/ OHIO PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION – $432,800.00 – PCSD #2

C. NOTE RECEIPT OF & CONSIDER APPROVAL BY SIGNING AN AGREEMENT

RE: GOOSE CREEK WASTE WATER SYSTEM LOAN ASSISTANCE AGREEMENT W/ OHIO PUBLIC WORKS – $283,400.00 – GOOSECREEK

38.3 Minute mark   Commissioner Wesler – I've got an additional item here. Note receipt of and consider approval by signing two letters to OBWC concerning project schedule revisions for Goose Creek waste water systems and sewer district 2 waste water treatment plan replacement projects.

After meeting noise.

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File 5

TISH PLAUGHER, MICHAEL GREENBURG & SOLID WASTE COMMITTEE – REVIEW OF SOLID WASTE PLAN

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File 6

After meeting discussion on subject of Monday evening meeting at National Trail.

Unknown – Mr. the Goldens' were there. Goldens?  I was there alone.

1 hr. 19.5 Minute mark   Unknown – So real quick Chris. So things Monday night was good and then all of a sudden

Commissioner Stonecash – For the most part it was ok.

Commissioner Day – I have my notes in the back, ten or 11 people spoke. There was a few.

Commissioner Stonecash – There were four or five that were

Commissioner Day – That basically got off the subject. By the same token, the out of county speakers did not all stay on the Goose Creek subject either. One gave us facts and figures about Ohio being top five in Swiss Cheese and tomato production.   

Commissioner Stonecash – They want jobs but they don't know how to get there.

Unknown – Well the biggest thing that I told Chris you know in Brookville I mean when the Payless project came there, people thanked us. Thank you Thank you.

Commissioner Stonecash – And this will be the same way.

Unknown – It will be the same. All right….

Commissioner Wesler – Thanks Jeff, take care now.  Jeff Sewert, the President of the Preble County Development Partnership is listed on the sign in sheet for this meeting and is the only Jeff on the list. Jeff is also the Village Admin of Lewisburg. Lewisburg recently lost 42 jobs to Brookville, Ohio.

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File 7

Connie – we need to go into executive session to discuss the employment of a public employee.

EXECUTIVE SESSION

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Commissioner Wesler – I'll give you a couple counties you can call and inquire with them.

Connie – Ok

EXECUTIVE SESSION REGARDING COLLECTIVE BARGAINING MATTERS WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT

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1 hr. 23.2 Minute mark  Note receipt of the fact finders report.

Someone comes in the room with a hearing aid.

Three options available on contract negotiations.

Commissioner Wesler – Myself I would have rather seen it tied the contract tied more to what the general fund can stand at this time and what we can afford to pay our employees here out of the general fund. In the courthouse I am saying… I guess what I am saying is non union employees. Do you guys have any thoughts one way or the other.

Commissioner Stonecash – I agree with your ahh situation, statement of the situation.

Best to listen to this exchange.

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File 8

Gentleman mentions having been by LePaul and having seen work being done around Foot Print Rock. Does not think that area will be good for business but might make a good park.

Commissioner Wesler mentions that the property extends into the woods.

This gentleman owns 50 acres across from the hog place. Knew Calvin Stonecash and there not being a better person.

Niswonder sp??

Mentions Greece.

RECESS FOR LUNCH

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File 9

TREY ZIMMERMAN, JACOB ZIMMERMAN, FRANK MAY, JOHN BURKE, HUGH HANNESON (RTS), DICK SARGEANT (EASTMAN & SMITH) – SLOW GAS BURNING PROCESS

Commissioners had made a trip to Kentucky a few weeks ago to visit a plant that is operational.

1 hr. 35.25 Minute mark   1,500 tons a day is still available from the Dayton Transfer station.

Willing to sign a contract for 20 – 30 years. Currently under contract with Rumpke until 2012.

Plant would be two modules of 750 tons for 1,500 tons. Probably would add third module to cope with any outage to one of the other.

Question on what would happen if two modules went down.

This file is worth a listen.

1 hr. 59 Minute mark  Discussion of "rail". Would be baled, large blocks. Would be remiss if they did not look at rail. On the electric issue they really need a 69,000 line. They can get in to the grid with a 69,000 or larger. These guys have met with AEP. $25,000 to fill out a survey.

By the year 2025, 25% of electric in Ohio has to come from "Green" sources and this plant would qualify.

Solar and wind are much more expensive than this.

2 hr. 4 Minute mark   Asks if anyone is friends is John Boehner. (David Wesler worked phone banks for him).

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File 10

Leaving the rail as an issue to be resolved. How much space do you need and what do you need?

Looking at parcel across the road with two elevations.

Intrigued by Landfill backup, rail, water and the power plant is right there (sub station). You don't have to build a mile or two miles of line to go to the sub station, it is right there.

Natural gas is over there to.

2 hr. 9 Minute mark  Discussion on qualifications, companies and individuals being used.

Gasification started back in World War II by Germans when fuel sources were limited.

2 hr. 16.75 Minute mark  Question of if they anticipate being able to mine any of the MSW at the landfill. Absolutely no reason they could not do that.

Mention of tip fees and not getting them if they mined the landfill. Issue with dirt.

2 hr. 20 Minute mark  Discussion on current landfill costs and closure and post closure costs.

Who gets the tipping fees if all of Preble trash goes to the gasification plant?

2 hr. 22 Minute mark   1,500 ton plant at a cost of somewhere in the neighborhood of $150,000,000. Not cost to Preble County.

2 hr. 24 Minute mark   John Jones – In 2010 our actual operating cost was $79.47 per ton. Includes all fees.

State law requires a Solid Waste District.

2 hr. 28 Minute mark   In Europe this is what they do.

2 hr. 32 Minute mark  Mention of leachate cost. Question of package plant and piping it to Camden or Lakengren. The discussion here is of this energy plant building a package plant to treat the water so that they can use it because the plant will need water for cooling. This plant uses a lot of water and would use the leachate, clean it up and still have to buy water. Mention of bringing water out of the creek. Aquifer also is also mentioned as a possibility. There would be no discharge of water. 20,000 gallons per 750 ton plant per day and there are to be two plants, so 40,000 gallons a day needed. Water lost in process.

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File 11

2 hr. 39.5 Minute mark  Water going to turbines has to be pristine.

2 hr. 40.5 Minute mark   Discussion of cutting Preble cost to $40 per ton, hiring Preble landfill people and giving Preble a for foreign (Montgomery County) garbage ($1,500 per day, seven days a week). Also extend the life of landfill.

2 hr. 44.5 Minute mark   Discussion on return of investment.

2 hr. 47.3 Minute mark    Need 3.5 – 5 acres. Lot being discussed is good.

2 hr. 49 Minute mark   Montgomery County position paper claims in 10 years they want all their waste to be going to something like this.

Fear is of Rumpke under cutting cost per ton. A contract with Montgomery County would have to be in hand before moving forward. Rumpke has to haul 90 miles and that would impact their cost.

2 hr. 53 Minute mark  Takes about 18 months to build a plant.

2 hr. 54 Minute mark   Question of how close the rail spur is. Answer: It is right there.

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File 12

After meeting discussion.

Question on if they are on the record.

Numbers have to work for our citizens.

Big concern is all that they have is a prototype.

Options discussed.

Concern about reliability.

Contingency plans

3 hr. 1 Minute mark   Discussion on leachate. Preble can't wait on leachate. Steve Simmons feels the county needs to continue with force main and then maybe 10 years down the road.

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File 13

Commissioner Wesler – Ok, Connie has some letters.

Letter read into the record is about the Goose Creek informational meeting.

3 hr. 7.25 Minute mark  Email from Shawnda regarding JRS pre application evaluation. Need for group conference call.

3 hr. 9.25 Minute mark  Mention of follow up email.

3 hr. 11.25 Minute mark   Commissioner Day – The Partnership needs a letter from us stating our participation so they can send it in for their tax exempt status. … more clarification.

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